I have been thinking long and hard about this. Some messages that we receive are not for our highest good at all. The answer? Well wrap yourself in white light of protection. But, what if you don't want to filter your surroundings in that way? How can you tell that the messages you are receiving are from low level entities or family members/spirit that have passed with ego's still attached and their own agenda?

I do know a few signs to look out for but I thought this would be a good topic to discuss. So how do you know?

good question Jace, I have wondered this myself. I'm still new to all this so, I'm interested to see what everyone else has to say.

I can only reply from an 'interested spectator point of view' seeing as I've never been lucky enough to have had spirit messages that I've recognised as such.

My opinion is that you would view messages from spirit in the same way as you do messages from the living...if it sits well, can do good and no harm, go with it:)

I do agree with you bluebell, it is experience that tells you that its a true spirit message. I know when spirit come through, in all cases l always ask in Gods name which is . Sometimes we get a warning that someone (sitter) has been messing around with spirit, eg: Oijua boards. I always respectful of the spirit being, and in return they are respectful back. I know my helpers and doorkeeper, helps to keep control of spirit being coming thoughts. I have had spirit beings who have treated the sitter in not so nice way on the earth plane, they do apologise to them. It is up to the sitter to accpt the sorry or not.

I would think respect is the key issue. If the spirit is of good heart, not of the lower regions, they would soon show their for the sitter.... good topic. god bless hugs skydancing xxx

When I was writing this topic I was thinking more of messages that you receive for yourself. During meditation or otherwise. Sky and Bluebell you've both made some good points. During a reading you are more apt to connect to family members of the sitter because that may be their intention for coming there, even if it they don't vocalize it or feel that way consciously.

I have come across lower level entities while doing evp sessions. I recognize them by what they are saying. I have a no swearing rule, if someone swears I delete the file and tell them I will not listen to messages in that way.

In a few books that I've read they have described lower level entities in a few ways. You will always know because of the emotion you feel when receiving the message. Ego related messages such as fear and grandiosity.

1. A guide will never demand you do anything. They only offer suggestions to make your life easier, but they will never ever demand you do anything. Yesterday during an evp session I received the message, "Think positive, or you'll get sick" I wrote it off, and today I do have the beginings of a cold. :( I wasn't able to put myself in that positive mode enough. She didn't demand anything of me just made the suggestion. Am I sick today because of the suggestion or should I have tried harder? That is something that is entirely up to whomever received the message.

2. They won't scare you by predicting your death or the death of a d one, to get you do something their way. For instance in the book "Ask Your Guides" by Sonia Choquette she used the example of woman who received a message that she and her best friend would be in a car accident and that they both would die. This caused the woman great stress to the point where she was "afraid" to drive. A guide would know to never do that to you. They would tell you to drive safe, but never show you a horrible accident that could occur. They leave the door open for you to make your own decision.

3. A guide will never stroke your ego in order to manipulate. They won't put you on a pedastal and tell you your the best their is. A guide knows that there is potential in everyone and no one is greater or lesser then the other, we are all one and we all in a way work together and against each other at the same time.

I may come back to this as I recieve and remember more info.

This is mainly why subjective clairvoyance has become more popular than the old methods of seance and props. Ouija and EVP can attract lower entities due to the "easy" nature of the communication. Clairvoyants rarely attract these entities (unless they desire to do so) so the messages are pure.

I tend to disagree, your mind (clairvoyance) is a tool for divination as well. EVP and Ouija are only tools, like your mind.

I tried to use a ouija board with my brother in law this past New Years. Guess what? It didn't work for us at all. I personally feel that when it comes to using any tool, that it is your intention consciously and subconscously that helps them come through.

Everything that you go through is about learning. You attract certain situations to you because you have something to learn from it. Knowing how to tell the difference between a guide and a lower level entity is something like Bluebell and Sky said, takes experience. But we can offer hints on how to tell. A lot of people who are new to open themselves up to messages from spirit and guides, do so with fear. They don't know what to expect. Lower level entities will be more inclined to do as you wish, which is to scare you for fun. It's all about . All things are possible if you hold as your intention to connect.

This is an interesting article.

http://www.askalana.com/os/otherside1.html

That's a great article. I get news letters from that site but I don't always have time to read them.

Great discussion, Jace:)

From that link


This, I feel, is the difference between clairvoyants and ouiji bard "players"
Clairvoyants are more 'evolved' ie resonate and connect with a loving frequency

This illustrates why consciously developing a strong relationship with your Guides is such a worthwhile effort.

There is no way any entity could trick me into believing they are one of my Guides. I know them primarily by 'feel' and no other entity feels quite the same as another -- just like incarnated beings.

I primarily navigate the world by feel anyway. If an entity, experience, physical location, astral location, website, etc. feels good to me then it resonates with me, else it is something I escape if I can (some incarnated folks you just can't escape .. he he).

I used protection techniques for years until one day I felt comfortable enough to say, "I can go without for now." I will mention that I have a protectress who took me under her wings about 5-years ago. She is the one I call upon should I feel the need for 'butt-kicking' backup.

My Guides aren't 'butt-kicking' types. They are too giggly for that.

I read somewhere a long time ago, if you are meditating and come across a guise, ask them if they will help you hurt someone. It sounds too simple, but if they answer yes, they are not a good guide. I've been meditating for years ans have asked for guidance many times. I can feel the negative energy immediately and break contact. I normally count backwards from 10 and say mantras whie I am counting and envision a place and let them come to me. If they are a negative energy I can feel it right away and start over..

when l read this l did not realise that you are asking about your guides, well as the guides choose you to work with, then its the spirit guide to protect you from negative spirit. I remember tell spirit, that l would work with them, but if they mess me around then l will not. I am lucky to know my helper Silver cloud and all my team. Another way is we can be given our spirit guide by a fellow medium, or a medium.

I hope this link will help in some way god bless hugs skydancing xxx


my spirit helpers or guides

Not necessarily true Bluebell. Try thinking outside of the box. It is intention with the use of any tool. You can use a ouija board with a loving frequency. You can't box everyone that uses tools besides their own mind as merely players and lower evolved people.

This is what intention means: an act or instance of determining mentally upon some action or result.

So if your intention is of and you are using tools it does not mean you are a lower evolved person or a player. Yes! Some people use tools to get the thrill of being scared. But not ALL people use tools do so. I see no difference if you use the aid of a tool or just clairvoyance. Clairvoyants can connect to lower level entities as well. And some clairvoyants are players and thrill seekers. Not all of them, but some.

I also agree about having a protector or "door keeper" I have actually recorded mine talking to someone that she was protecting me from. She said to him "Get back your not welcome" he said back to her "f--- light workers" and I never heard from him again.

OK, for some reason this really tickles my funny bone

It is not a question of "thinking outside the box". We all have our own feelings and opinions and as with all paranormal phenomena, none of us can know how it all works. I personally don't class the mind as a "tool" because basically after we pass over, all we have are our thoughts and feelings our consciousness, therefore it is logical to me that this is the part of us that connects easier to our guides while on Earth rather than any manmade tool. The brain may be classed as a tool, as it is of "of the Earth". Just my opinion.

I haven't had that much experience with guides but I think that ANY feelings of uneasiness that come up for me deserved to be listened to. True guides won't mind your mistrust as they want and are happy to prove themselves. I have one kind of 'gatekeeper' guide (although I dislike that term, it's a bit too Tolkien for me!) who I trust because when he appears he's very silent, smiley and steady as a rock. False guides appear austentatious to me, meaning that if they look too good to be true, they probably are! I'm still making mistakes but I'm being taught to question all the time. I can't remember who said it first but someone had written/said, 'Think about it, if someone came to your front door you wouldn't just let them in without finding out who they were first!' I have a healthy scepticism when guides appear that I intend to hold on to. Just as in life you should never put anyone on a pedestal.

The thing is Ady, is that when you use a tool, you are also using your mind. It is the same focus as using your mind alone. When I use cards, I feel the energy of the cards, the energy registers with my mind with which pile is heavier, lighter, hotter or colder and I get impressions in my mind of what the cards mean. When I use evp my questions come from my mind, I often use reiki to fill the room with energy to help them speak, I use clairaudience to help me determine what is trying to be said, when a ouija board is used you are also using your mind. The question you ask always starts with the mind regardless of what tool you are using, your own energy is then used to get the answer, you can also use clairvoyance or any of the clairs in order to see who is speaking and what they mean by it. I know this because I have experience using almost any tool you can think of, there are two I want to try yet. IChing and dowsing rods.

We can agree to disagree, but I can not agree that people that use tools are players or lower evolved people. I think if you are good at using any tool, if the messages coming through are positive and helpful then there is no difference. Keep using it if it's helpful to you. We have labels to judge others as better or worse then ourselves. The truth is we are all equal. We all come from the same source energy.

My logical side says that our source sees no difference in the way a message from spirit is obtained. Our source does not put one person above the other and call them higher evolved because of the tools they use or don't use. Our source only sees .

LOL you should have been here to see my face when I heard that. I'm sure it was something like this

Ok, I have something to offer that may make some sense.

I also believe that yes, we are all created of the same thing, but.... we all make our own choices that lower our own vibrations and we can indeed become stuck in a rut. Whether it be a short term or a long term is up to us.

However, When channeling or attempting to connect and communicate, it's very important to try to only connect to higher vibrational beings. The reason is, the lower vibrational beings, whether they are in purgatory or wondering around in ghostly forms, most the time they are confused and lost and won't have much valuable information to offer, unless you are specifically trying to solve a haunting case.

I connect with ghosts all the time, but i ask then things like why they are there, or what is making them unhappy. Most of the time it's mundane earthbound type of thoughts. Many don't even realize they are dead (or changed form).

When communicating, i tend to let my spirit guide be the middle man. So i don't even directly connect, but it's like my guide is the interpreter. This way, i am also not effected by the lower vibration.

Once you find your spirit guide, or channel guide, always use them as the interpreter. Call for them to find your answers. You trust them.

How do you know? It feels right. When you feel good about it, it's right. You have a built in sensor for this stuff, trust it. If it doesn't feel right, back away.....

no need to put a white light of protection around you, because you shouldn't NEED protection, you already have it built in. It's automatic.... it's when you THINK you need it, that you lower your auto-mode.

So, from now on.... THINK of your AUTO-Protect to have TWO choices..... Normal and SUPER!

When it's on SUPER it will shine outward from INSIDE you.... it will heal everything around you and no lower vibration will effect or lower your's, because yours will be in SUPER mode and will automatically raise THEIRS instead.

Make sense?

Have a SUPER day! LOL
HUGS

The question was asked, how do you know if a communication is coming from a lower level entity. If you have met your Spirit Guides, you can simply ask them about the unknown entity. When you have sufficiently developed your psychic senses, you can tell by the way that it feels.

With and Light,
Charles, DSS